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{"id":3985,"date":"2015-08-26T09:15:53","date_gmt":"2015-08-26T16:15:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/?p=3985"},"modified":"2020-07-09T09:55:31","modified_gmt":"2020-07-09T16:55:31","slug":"god-and-time-iii-general-relativity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-iii-general-relativity\/","title":{"rendered":"God and Time III: General Relativity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Imagine if somebody said that only one height exists at once\u2014whichever elevation you happen to be in at the moment, only things at that elevation <em>really<\/em> exist<em>.\u00a0 <\/em>The moles in the ground are can be asserted to be &#8220;below&#8221;, but that just means that they <em>used to <\/em>exist when you were in your basement.\u00a0 And the birds in the trees are &#8220;above&#8221; you, but that just means that they\u00a0<em>will\u00a0<\/em>exist after you indulge your habit of climbing to the attic.<\/p>\n<p>(Unlike the case of time, I can go either up or down, but who cares?\u00a0 Time may flow like a river, but space flies like a bumblebee, wobbling around in random directions.)<\/p>\n<p>This is clearly uncommonly silly, and there are several retorts one might make to it.\u00a0 If the ground beneath us doesn&#8217;t exist, then what on earth is holding us up and supporting us?<\/p>\n<p>Also, there is no such thing as a perfectly flat human being.\u00a0 Your brain occupies several different planes of elevation at once, and there is no good reason to think that any horizontal slice of your brain would be capable of thinking, independently of all the other slices.<\/p>\n<p>Another possible retort would be to critique the language, and say that there is really no meaning to it.\u00a0 If I say that the birds <em>will <\/em>exist after I go into the attic, I am implicitly and illegitimately assuming that my attic exists, and that I can therefore go up to it.\u00a0 But if I really took my philosophy completely seriously, I would have to believe that the attic doesn&#8217;t exist either.\u00a0 To say that <em>up <\/em>exists <em>upwards<\/em> is a circular definition, which can hardly console us if things that are <em>up<\/em> do not exist in the first place.<\/p>\n<p>But if none of these &#8220;philosophical&#8221; arguments are persuasive, I can always crack out the &#8220;Argument from Geophysics&#8221;.\u00a0 Our most advanced scientific theories suggest that the world is in fact <em>round<\/em>.\u00a0 It turns out that up and down are relative concepts, you see.\u00a0 In Australia, they fall in a different direction than we do.\u00a0 What they call down is different from what we call down.\u00a0 The actual laws of physics are <em>rotationally symmetric<\/em>.\u00a0 There is a symmetry which mixes up the up-down axis with the right-left axis and the forwards-backwards axis.\u00a0 We can call &#8220;down&#8221; the direction which points to the Earth, but the earth is a contingent object which might not have existed.\u00a0 Out in space, there is no reason to adopt a geocentric coordinate system.<\/p>\n<p>And certainly, if we start doing theology, it would be presumptuous to think that the God who created the whole universe, all the stars and galaxies, is confined to existing at some particular elevation.\u00a0 Whatever limitations we may ascribe to created beings, we should not ascribe them to the unlimited Creator, who made them all out of nothing.<\/p>\n<p>(Some ideas, e.g. the idea that God is a really old man with a long white beard who lives in the sky, really do become ridiculous when you consider the size and proportions of the Universe as discovered by modern Science.\u00a0 But garden variety Internet Atheists are always trying to manufacture this feeling artificially, in situations where it&#8217;s a <em>non sequitur<\/em>.\u00a0 If you can&#8217;t tell the difference between Classical Theism and belief in a sky-fairy or an invisible garage dragon, that shows <em>your<\/em> intellectual limitations, not mine.)<\/p>\n<p>This analogy summarizes the previous posts in this series, only I was talking about Time instead of Height:<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"God and Time I: Metaphysics\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-i-metaphysics\/\">God and Time I: Metaphysics<\/a><br \/>\n<a title=\"God and Time II: Special Relativity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-ii-special-relativity\/\">God and Time II: Special Relativity<\/a><\/p>\n<p>It turns out that there is also a &#8220;rotational symmetr<em><\/em>y&#8221; so to speak (called a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lorentz_transformation\">Lorentz boost<\/a>) which mixes Space and Time.\u00a0 It works <a title=\"The Ten Symmetries of Spacetime\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/the-ten-symmetries-of-spacetime\/\">a little bit differently<\/a> from a regular rotation, since it involves rotating along <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hyperbola\">hyperbolas<\/a> instead of circles.\u00a0 Mathematically, it&#8217;s just a matter of throwing in a minus sign.\u00a0 A result of this is that there is a <a title=\"Time as the Fourth Dimension?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/the-geometry-of-spacetime-i-distance\/\">lightcone<\/a> which is unaffected by the symmetry transformation.\u00a0 Some pairs of points are timelike separated (one point can affect the other) and others are spacelike separated (neither can affect the other), but there is no such thing any more as simultaneity.\u00a0 From the perspective of somebody who is stationary, time goes slower for somebody who is moving; this is called &#8220;time dilation&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But in General Relativity, things get more wild, since space and time can themselves be affected by the behavior of matter.\u00a0 Thus the distances and durations become <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/geometry-is-a-field\/\">a function<\/a> of where and when you are.\u00a0 Time runs slightly slower near the earth than it does in outer space.\u00a0 (Believe it or not, this is why things fall down.\u00a0 An object in free-fall always takes the path which maximizes the amount of time to get from point A to point B.\u00a0 This is a compromise between SR and GR time dilation effects.)<\/p>\n<p>In Special Relativity, space and time are a unity, but they have a <em>fixed geometry<\/em>.\u00a0 The distances and the times are the same regardless of what matter does.\u00a0 They are unaffected, and therefore they might possibly (by a Materialist, not by a Classical Theist) be taken to be a fundamental, necessary, and immutable feature of reality, which limits other entities but is not itself affected by them.<\/p>\n<p>In General Relativity, by contrast, the spacetime metric $$g_{ab}$$ not only <a title=\"The Connection\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/the-connection\/\">affects matter<\/a>, it is in turn <a title=\"The Equations of Motion\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/the-equations-of-motion\/\">affected by<\/a> matter.\u00a0 This implies that the <em>causal structure\u00a0<\/em> (which tells you which points can affect which other points by signals) is itself causally affected by stuff.\u00a0 So we learn that the particular geometry of spacetime is a contingent, mutable feature of reality.<\/p>\n<p>From a philosophical point of view, the Absolute Spacetime of Newton (or Special Relativity) was never very satisfying.\u00a0 Even if it is Absolute, an empty Spacetime can hardly itself be the source of all that is real.\u00a0 Thus there must also be some other principles besides those of space and time, threatening an unparsimonius proliferation of fixed principles.\u00a0 It has seemingly arbitrary features, and yet if it is really immutable and necessary it is difficult to explain it in terms of other things, other than just God&#8217;s will.\u00a0 Many philosophers such as St. Leibnitz and Mach <a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/leibniz-physics\/#AbsRelMot\">rejected absolute spacetime<\/a>, and tried to reduce it to the status of merely relative data relating various material objects.\u00a0 Newton and his followers, on the other hand, tried to identify Space and Time with the necessary attributes of God, his Immensity and Eternity, but this doesn&#8217;t work very well theologically.<\/p>\n<p>Einstein was influenced by Mach in the creation of GR, but it doesn&#8217;t really meet Mach&#8217;s original aspirations since spacetime is still a reality independent of matter in his theory.\u00a0 Mach would have said that spacetime has no independent reality; that it is just a way of keeping track of the relationships between material objects.\u00a0 (He thought that the water would run to the sides of a rotating bucket only because the bucket was rotating compared to the distant stars).\u00a0 But in GR, it is possible to have a geometry apart from any matter, e.g. empty Minkowski space, or a spacetime with gravitational waves.<\/p>\n<p>There is indeed a sense in which the curved spacetime of GR is relational\u2014there is no <a title=\"Coordinates don't matter\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/coordinates-dont-matter\/\">absolute fixed coordinate system<\/a> to measure everything else by.\u00a0 Thus it is only meaningful to\u00a0 measure the locations and times and velocities of objects relative to other objects, indeed unlike SR we must even specify a specific path through spacetime between the two objects, in order to meaningfully compare them.\u00a0 But, even though GR is relational, the spacetime metric $$g_{ab}$$ is itself one of the entities which may be used to construct relational observables.<\/p>\n<p>Thus I would say that Spacetime in GR is neither absolute in the Newtonian sense (more fundamental than matter), nor relative in the Leibnitz\/Machian sense (less fundamental than matter), but rather has the same status as matter.\u00a0 It is real in the same concrete, tangible way that a rock or a tree is real.\u00a0 It is one of several different fields in Nature, all with equal status, all capable of affecting and being affected.<\/p>\n<p>As some physicist I can&#8217;t track down right now (Carlo Rovelli?) once said, if an intense gravity wave passed by and destroyed your house, you would think of it as being just as real as any other kind of matter.<\/p>\n<p>Now, if Spacetime (and therefore Time) is real in the same sense that a rock or a tree are real, that meas that it is also a contingent, created being.\u00a0 Time is just one of the many things that God has created.\u00a0 But the Creator, blessed be he, is not dependent on rocks or trees for his existence.\u00a0 He is not measured or parcelled out by units of space, therefore he is also not measured by time.\u00a0 Time is just something he created, which need not have existed.\u00a0 Before they were created, and afterwards, he exists just the same as he ever was.\u00a0 He is the Absolute, the <a title=\"Fundamental Reality: Index\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/fundamental-reality-index\/\">Fundamental Reality<\/a> which everything else depends on, but which does not itself depend on anything.\u00a0 God&#8217;s divine attributes (his <a title=\"Fundamental Reality IV: Necessity, Eternity, and Power\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/fundamental-reality-iv-necessity-eternity-and-power\/\">necessity, eternity<\/a>, and <a title=\"Fundamental Reality III: Chains, Parsimony, and Magic\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/fundamental-reality-iii-chains-parsimony-and-magic\/\">unity<\/a>) imply that he cannot change with time, nor can he consist of distinct parts at each time.\u00a0 He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End!<\/p>\n<p>But I digress, since I was planning to discuss the Scriptures in the next post.\u00a0 This one is supposed to be about how GR makes it even harder to say that God is in Time.\u00a0 I&#8217;ve already talked about the contingency of the spacetime geometry.\u00a0 Now let&#8217;s talk about the arbitrariness of selecting what you mean by a single moment of time.<\/p>\n<p>In SR, there is still a preferred notion of &#8220;simultaneity&#8221; <em>if<\/em> you pick a particular reference frame.\u00a0 I drew a picture of that in the <a title=\"God and Time II: Special Relativity\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-ii-special-relativity\/\">previous post<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/frames.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3431\" title=\"frames\" src=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/frames.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"455\" height=\"299\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/frames.gif 455w, https:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/frames-300x197.gif 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 455px) 100vw, 455px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here Sue and Martha don&#8217;t agree on whether $$p$$ or $$q$$ came first.\u00a0 But maybe Sue is objectively right and Martha objectively wrong?\u00a0 Somebody could still argue that there is a <em>special inertial frame of reference<\/em> with respect to which God happens to exist.\u00a0 In other words, God has no position, and yet he has a velocity?\u00a0 He is not an idol, a piece of wood or stone carved into an anthropomorphic form.\u00a0 Why should he be limited in this way.<\/p>\n<p>But in GR, spacetime is curved, and there are no inertial coordinate systems defined on the whole spacetime.\u00a0 You can divide Spacetime into Space and Time in any way you like, using wiggly surfaces (although one might want to restrict to surfaces which are everywhere spacelike).\u00a0 For example, the relationship between 2 coordinate systems could look like this:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/frames2.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3995\" title=\"frames2\" src=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/frames2.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"448\" height=\"176\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">In GR is not always any particular connection between a given coordinate system and a given observer, so I have not drawn Sue and Martha in this picture, but I have still drawn the spacelike separated points $$p$$ and $$q$$ which are in an ambiguous time relation.\u00a0 (Since spacetime is 4 dimensional, the time slices I&#8217;ve drawn actually represent 3 dimensional surfaces.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Of course, nothing stops you from choosing a funky coordinate system in Newtonian mechanics or SR either.\u00a0 For example, it is often convenient to choose a rotating frame of reference to follow a rotating body such as the Earth.\u00a0 Or a coordinate system which tracks an accelerating observer.\u00a0 (Many pop descriptions of GR give the false impression that you need GR to describe accelerating coordinate systems; this is obviously false since objects can accelerate even in Newtonian mechanics, and nobody can prevent you to choosing coordinates however you like no matter what the correct theory of physics is.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">The difference in GR is that <em>none of the coordinate choices are particularly nice or special<\/em>.\u00a0 It looks from the picture above like the gray coordinate system is nicer than the apricot one, but that&#8217;s just because your computer screen is flat.\u00a0 On a typical curved spacetime, <em>all <\/em>time slices are bent in one place or another.\u00a0 Thus, instead of having a 3 parameter family of &#8220;nice&#8221; time slices, we have an infinite dimensional family.\u00a0 (The details depend on which particular curved spacetime we have.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Do we really want to say that God&#8217;s experience of time depends on making an arbitrary choice about how to respond to the gravitational field of each and every star?\u00a0 An choice which, from the perspective of physics, is a completely meaningless choice of coordinate system?\u00a0 God&#8217;s perspective on the universe should not be <em>more <\/em>provincial and limited than the perspective of a mere physicist such as myself.\u00a0 The Glory of Israel does not change, so why does he need a time coordinate?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Now it is true that on some specially nice spacetimes, there is a naturally nice choice of time coordinate.\u00a0 For example in an <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Friedmann%E2%80%93Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Robertson%E2%80%93Walker_metric\">FRW expanding universe<\/a>, there is a &#8220;cosmic time&#8221; coordinate which tracks the overall size (the &#8220;redshift factor&#8221;) of the universe.\u00a0 Some philosophers, such as St. William Lane Craig, have <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/god-and-real-time\">suggested that<\/a> God&#8217;s &#8220;time&#8221; might simply be this &#8220;cosmic time&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">But this is a misunderstanding of the physics of our universe.\u00a0 The FRW metric is a just an <a title=\"Pillar of Science III: Approximate Models\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/pillar-of-science-iii-approximate-models\/\">approximation<\/a> to reality.\u00a0 It describes a universe which is completely uniform (the same in everywhere) and isotropic (the same in every direction).\u00a0 This is a very good approximation on <em>large<\/em> distance scales (billions of light years), but on shorter distance scales (e.g. the solar system, or the milky way, or your living room) you may have noticed that matter is <em>not <\/em>distributed uniformly.\u00a0 It comes in clumps, and each of these clumps has a gravitational field which distorts the spacetime metric, making the FRW metric no longer correct.\u00a0 On a lumpy spacetime, the notion of &#8220;cosmic time&#8221; is not well-defined.<\/p>\n<p>With sufficient effort, one might be able to define a different time coordinate which <em>is<\/em> well defined.\u00a0 Perhaps the maximum proper time since the Big Bang, or something.\u00a0 But reformulating GR in a way that makes special reference to such quantities spoils the beauty of Einstein&#8217;s theory.\u00a0 It is <em>ugly.\u00a0 <\/em>As for a blind and lame theory like that, I hate it in my soul.\u00a0 Why should our physical theory describing gravitation get uglier when we describe how it relates to God?<\/p>\n<p>The closest thing I know about to an elegant reformulation of GR with a special time coordinate is called <a href=\"http:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/1101.5974\">&#8220;shape dynamics&#8221;<\/a>.\u00a0 (I say know <em>about<\/em>, since I don&#8217;t understand it).\u00a0 Apparently this is equivalent to GR in a coordinate system where you pick your time slices to be CMC (&#8220;constant mean curvature&#8221;) slices.\u00a0 I won&#8217;t explain that right now, except to say that the soap films in your bubble bath are also CMC surfaces.\u00a0 But given a GR spacetime metric, there might be many possible choices of CMC slicings, or none.\u00a0 So the equivalence to GR is not complete.<\/p>\n<p>It is of course always possible that a new theory of physics (such as <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ho%C5%99ava%E2%80%93Lifshitz_gravity\">Ho\u0159ava gravity<\/a>) might reimpose something like absolute time.\u00a0 But I wouldn&#8217;t count on it.<\/p>\n<p>I think this is a good illustration of the point I made in <a title=\"Models and Metaphysics\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/models-and-metaphysics\/\">Models and Metaphysics<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>But it seems to me that the correct view is in the middle, that Physics has some bearing on Metaphysics but it doesn&#8217;t fully determine it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There are always going to be ways to <em>force<\/em> physics into being compatible with an A-theory <a title=\"God and Time I: Metaphysics\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-i-metaphysics\/\">metaphysics of time<\/a>, but it doesn&#8217;t look elegant or pretty.\u00a0 The B-theory seems to fit much more naturally.\u00a0 Physics can&#8217;t usually rule out metaphysical ideas, but it can make them look a lot clunkier.<\/p>\n<p>But in this case, physics isn&#8217;t telling us anything we couldn&#8217;t have learned from good philosophical theology.\u00a0 Or from scriptural exegesis\u2014which will be the subject of my next post in this series.<\/p>\n<p><em>Next: <a title=\"God and Time IV: Impassibility and the Bible\" href=\"http:\/\/www.wall.org\/~aron\/blog\/god-and-time-iv-impassibility-and-the-bible\/\">Impassibility and the Bible<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Imagine if somebody said that only one height exists at once\u2014whichever elevation you happen to be in at the moment, only things at that elevation really exist.\u00a0 The moles in the ground are can be asserted to be &#8220;below&#8221;, but &hellip; 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